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@jlriggs57aol-com this story is absolutely horrifying.

I am absolutely disgusted. Most people would argue against the first few sentences of your post, but reading further it does seem that we are starting to accept more acts that would have otherwise been punishable by at least years in prison.

I think of the Sandusky situation… many people knew what was going on and decided to stay quiet. Staying quite is something people accept now. People even understand why others stay quiet in situations like this.

But your above post talks about somethign worse now, actual support for these people and excusing their actions when judgement day comes.

This post also eludes to a similar story in MI. Teacher’s unions are standing up for the child rapist. http://www.volkalize.com/topic/teachers-unions-need-to-prioritize-what-matters-this-makes-me-sick/ Its by @eyeonthenation

I think the people that are in opposition, people like you and me, need to be louder about our dissent. We need to make a fuss of this. Its hard with the media not on our side. But we need to do everything we can to spread the news of these stories and create the public outrage they deserve.

Thanks for posting.

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This is another thing I COMPLETELY agree with you on. This is absolutely horrible and I am disgusted with the actions of the individual and the people that gave him a slap on the wrist. He should have everything taken from him regarding his pension. However, it may be more complicated regarding the laws you mentioned preventing taking it away.

I wonder if San Francisco has those laws in place to protect gays, and they just put sexual act protection in there and didn’t think to put with exception to rape or child molestation. I feel like those acts should be punishable by losing your pension and definitely going to prison. His sentencing is absolutely horrible.

As far as regards to your question of accepting more… I do not think we are being forced to agree with everything but we are forced to respect each other.

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Thanks for all comments.

Coffee Addict, agreed. We need to speak loud and long about things like this. Who knows how much longer we have until we will be the “haters” and the “politically incorrect” for saying anything bad about it at all. As you say, it’s hard when the media isn’t on your side. For now we have those that just stay quiet, next is complete complacency, and that will be followed by acceptance.

Julia, your last sentence is exactly what I’m talking about. You don’t think we are being forced to agree with everything. I couldn’t disagree more. We, maybe not you and I, but our kids that are coming up through our school systems who are slowly being brainwashed there, then the media continues it, then the Hollywood actors, singers, entertainers, etc. continuously speak of tolerance. They are MADE to accept by attrition.

You repeat something over and over again to children, especially something that is bombarding them from all sides, pretty soon they aren’t thinking for themselves they are just following what they are hearing. It would be easy to say that the parents should have control of that. Okay, then if you home school your kid, don’t let them listen to music, watch TV, or go to the movies, then your some kind of control freak and you are criticized for that, and seen like some kind of bad parent.

You can’t expect a child to be able to sort out all the things we are told to tolerate and accept and make an adult decision about what is good and what is not, so they just accept everything.

And you said that we ARE FORCED to respect each other. This I will agree with, for those who would live within the bounds of political correctness. I do not live within those bounds, I will never, in any circumstance, show this man or anyone like him the first bit of respect.

From the time I was a kid I was told to respect my elders until they proved unworthy of that respect, and when I got older I was taught to respect those who had earned it.

Respect is not given by virtue of living, it is given, by a person’s ability to show that respect is due to them.

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WHY is this monster still breathing?

GOD is WAITING for us to remove him from the earth and send him to Judgement Day!

Instead, he goes to jail for 6 months ???
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot ???

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This is absolutely disgusting. I have read the other article on this site as well about the Michigan teachers union supporting the convicted child rapist. Now this story… This is absolutely terrible and no one should accept this.

James I agree that little by little our children are being brainwashed. We need to do our part to educate our children. I dont know about you but lately I feel like I am going to encourage my children to be rebels. The adults they are going to be around in school DO NOT KNOW BEST. I will tell them to be critical thinkers and think for themselves.

I will teach my children morals. This is not moral, it is not right, and it is not acceptable. Its victimization of the worst kind.

Coffee Addict: We cannot be silent. Yes the media isn’t on our side.. but if we just quietly sit by we have no chance.

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This is America. We do NOTHING official in the name of god. We are not a theocracy, and we are not a christian nation (we are a largely christian nation, but are not and never will be an officially christian nation.). Making such things official would be unconstitutional.

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@Jack

it doesn’t matter whether you believe in God or not.

the fact remains that people who do that kind of thing are morally depraved and dangerous monsters who deserve to pay the ultimate price for the harm they do to children.

whether or not there is a punishment in the afterlife should have no bearing on the matter. just because a civil law is similar to a moral or religious law, doesn’t mean that the law is theocratic. would you legalize theft and murder, just because they are forbidden in the ten commandments?

in this case, the law fell FAR short of exacting the punishment that should have been meted out.

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As a reminder, if you don’t post the @’s of those in the discussion no one will know you left a comment.

Carl, agreed, he should have been on his way a long time ago. However, that’s exactly what I’m saying, we are told to accept those things that we know are wrong for the sake of being politically correct. Instead of this truly sick individual getting swift and severe punishment for his behavior, not only does he only get a slap on the wrist, but he also has people coming to his defense. The people defending him will be the ones who want this kind of thing to be socially acceptable. Where do we draw the line on accepting things just because we are told to?

Two Cents, I also taught my children to think for themselves. In teaching them that, I also taught them to be respectful of others and that they should not disagree with anger, but with facts. The unthinking really hate that. I also taught my kids morals. I have come to find out that the far left doesn’t like the word “morals” because it insinuates that there is a God. Nothing wrong with being a rebel.

Jack, chill amigo. No one is saying that “Christian” is to be made into an official title. Saying that a country is a Christian, muslim, hindu, or whatever nation, merely denotes what the main religion is for that country. Being a Christian, nothing would make me happier than to see it made official, but that’s just me.

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“By our form of government, the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of Christians are placed upon the same equal footing, and are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.”

Samuel Chase, Founding Father

and

“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian Nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”

John Jay, Founding Father

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And there are dozens and dozens of quotes like this from those who started this country. I am in no way trying to push Christianity on anyone, but these quotes show that this country was founded by those who were Christians and everything they did was based on Christian values and teachings.

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I totally agree that justice was not served in this case. However, we must punish wrongdoers for the sake of justice, not because we think god would want us to.

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While there are many quotes from our founding fathers expressing their unofficial opinions, there are quotes from other founding fathers that have come from treaties and laws that express quite the opposite.

“As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”

Thomas Jefferson, President of the United States, in the treaty of Tripoli

“For we know that the common law is that system of law which was introduced by the Saxons on their settlement in England, and altered from time to time by proper legislative authority from that time to the date of Magna Charta, which terminates the period of the common law. . . This settlement took place about the middle of the fifth century. But Christianity was not introduced till the seventh century; the conversion of the first christian king of the Heptarchy having taken place about the year 598, and that of the last about 686. Here then, was a space of two hundred years, during which the common law was in existence, and Christianity no part of it.”

Again, Thomas Jefferson, refuting those who believe that common law was adapted from Christianity.

“Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion”
Amendment I of the US Constitution

So their actions were not entirely based on their religion, and neither were the documents they wrote. Christian Morals often aren’t exclusively Christian.
For example, there is “What goes around comes around” (From Genesis) and The Theory of Karma of Buddhism.

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Jack, I will disagree, their actions were based on religion and the freedom thereof. God does not say that all men will be Christians and the founding fathers took that lead and basically said that each man would decide for themselves whether they would be or not. A Christian teaching.

As a Christian, when I have a hard decision to make I don’t do anything until I have either prayed about it or I have searched the Bible for guidance. Knowing that forming a republic had do be a tough job and that every decision had to be a hard one, I make the assumption, since nearly all of them claimed to be a Christian, I make the assumption that they would do likewise.

I was not there, I don’t have first hand information. So I will throw in a disclaimer to salve any wounds I created.

“They made no decisions as Christians, they did everything without seeking any guidance from God.”

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The founding father’s actions, and the actions of all human beings, come from their morals. Where their morals come from, however, is known only by the person in question. For many, those morals do come from religion. Since we cannot read the minds of the founding fathers, I have come to this verdict: We cannot know for certain what the founding fathers truly intended. We can speculate all we want, which is what we have been doing, but it is my belief that we can never know for certain.

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We cannot know what the founding fathers intended, however I do not think they had it all figured out. They allowed slavery. They called Blacks 3/5 of a white person. And women were considered property. I do cherish our history. However I think one of the great things about America is that we are able to look at our past, and past policies are realize when we’ve made mistakes. I think there is room for the Constitution to be amended at times and interpreted to guide us through modern problems.

Going back to the topic at hand. Its good to see that everyone is agreeing something needs to be done about this case. This is unjust. I am disgusted.

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Julia, I heard an interesting argument about why slavery was accepted during the founding of the United States. It wasn’t necessarily because the founding fathers wanted there to be slavery, but because it already existed and the colonies that had slavery refused to join the union unless slavery was legal. Just a thought.

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