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Pete Johnson @petejohnsoniv

I know I am probably in the majority with my opinion on the matter but I feel like I usually am anyways so screw it. First and foremost I don’t believe that this Snowden should be persecuted but I do believe what he did was wrong. When the government “monitors” the phone records they have specific algorithms that look for suspicious activity. So to people who say that this is an unnecessary use of our security budget I say to them, it’s not expensive to develop an algorithm that can quickly go over millions of calls and other data to identify suspicious activity. Second, if you have nothing to hide what are you really worried about? Do you really think this nation will ever let people be persecuted for their political beliefs? The only people that should be worried about this are the ones that are engaging in crimes and have things to hide. The government isn’t concerned with our every day whereabouts and insignificant conversations we have, I still truly believe they are using this information for the greater good of the country. Next, who gives a shit if Obama has ordered national security leaders to compile a list of potential overseas “adversaries” for US cyber-attacks which could be targeted. A good commander always plans ahead and is a few steps ahead of his enemies. Do you not think our military has a list of the possible targets for our missiles? People need to realize that we are moving into a different day and age where we are under more scrutiny and that we are being watched more. Don’t broadcast personal things you don’t want other people knowing on the internet, it can always be found. I am going to go out on a branch and say that not too many of us complained when the Patriot Act was put into effect so learn to live with the consequences. We are living in an increasingly dangerous world and I firmly believe our government is doing the best job it can to protect its citizens. Stop pointing fingers and figure it out.

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Pete Johnson @petejohnsoniv

and i just realized that during my rant i used persecuted instead of prosecuted so forgive me for that haha

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Jordan Bosstick @jordan-bosstick

Something I have to point out is that societies do not change over night. You are not free one day, and slaves the next. Societies change through gradualism. Its one bad policy, followed by another, followed by another, over many years. And finally you are somewhere you never expected to be. Think of this: At the time the Patriot Act became legislation, Democrats warned it would be abused, Republicans argued we needed it to keep us safe, that it would not be abused. Today, it is being abused, and citizens are being watched. People today, are actually accepting the fact that we live in an age with zero privacy. The government can store your information, and people are okay with this. Now they have your information, well what if tomorrow, or in a year, or in 10 years, the government implements another bad policy, and decides that they can target people for crimes committed in the past? Or for having a different ideology than the party in power (not unlike the IRS and EPA unfairly targeting conservative groups), will have the means and information to do who knows what to the individuals that are considered a threat. The point is, that just a few years ago, the public was against the Patriot Act for fear it would be abused. Now it is being abused, and people are accepting it. This is how a society changes, people accept their government’s actions because its just one more bad policy. But how many more times will we accept government intrusion through bad policy into our lives? In 20 years, or 50 years, where will we be?

Regarding Snowden, he broke a law. And I wonder about the National Security Implications. Real terrorists, now know one of the means we collect information and monitor them. However, the public does have a right to know what is going on. Terrorists will now use other means to transfer information and we will have to adapt the way we monitor them, if we can figure out how they are doing it. I am torn on this. I do not want our government having more power over us, however I believe there is a serious threat to the world regarding terrorism, not just in America but all over the globe.

One more thing: I think everyone should pay attention to who exactly denounced the Patriot Act, and is now accepting it because their party is in power. And also, who lobbied for the Patriot Act, and is now denouncing it, because their party is not in the White House. It is a great time to see which politicians are actually principled, rather than just going along with their party. And a great time to see exactly how much politicians lie and get away with it!

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nathalie @nathaliedacosta

excellent point about the politics behind the patriot act @jordanbosstick

@petejohnsoniv , i agree, & i support preparations for cyber attacks…

the chances of attack from such an “adversary” are pretty slim …but cyberspace could be the United States’ most vulnerable front & the ability to launch powerful counterattacks is basically the mutually assured destruction of the internet. the whole thing may not be ideal, but its necessary.

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Two Cents @twocents

I definitely agree that cyberspace is our most vulnerable front @nathaliedacosta and @Petejohnsoniv. We need to do more to protect ourselves from cyber attacks. Isn’t it interesting how we’ve been using our advanced technology to monitor countries all around the world for quite a long time, and now that it is happening to us we view it as intrusive and dangerous? I wonder if other countries felt violated or like at any time we might use our intel against them to invade their country. Oh how the tables have turned. Now we have both terrorism, and cyber terrorism. I argue we must protect ourselves on all fronts, but not by storing American’s information. The question really is whether you trust your government or not. If you trust your government as Pete said he did, you have no problem with them collecting information about you because you dont think they would ever use it or become abusive. If you do not trust your government, you fear that they will eventually turn on you and use that information against you to define you as a terrorist. It is naive to think this could not happen, it has happened in many, many nations before us. Look at the government’s actions today: The IRS targeting specific political groups, the EPA targeted specific political groups, our government was running guns to the Mexican cartel and LIED about it during Fast and Furious, our government may have been smuggling guns through the Benghazi consulate, where 4 Americans died. They lied and said the attack on our consulate was over a video, when it obviously was a planned terrorist attack on 9/11/12. During the hearings of these events, which I encourage everyone to watch to see how just how comfortable your government officials are with lying to you, our public servicemen plead the 5th, simply say they don’t know, or they cannot recall. Or they don’t have all the facts. They lie straight to our faces, but because most Americans watch the news rather than the actual hearings, they get it in soundbites and don’t see the full ridiculousness of these people in positions of power. I do watch these hearings, and I do see these people for who they are, and I DO NOT TRUST MY GOVERNMENT.

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

I really don’t understand what all the fuss is about. If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide. I understand people fear the government, but this is America, I really doubt we the people will allow our government to become tyrannical. As @PeteJohnsoniv said no one is going to be prosecuted for their political beliefs, thats just right wing paranoia getting the best of you.

Regarding Snowden, I do think he should be prosecuted because he broke the law and went against our national security. Thats great that he thought he was doing the public a favor by letting them know their information was being stored, but he could be considered an enemy of the state because he is basically helping terrorism.

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John PharmD @epharmd

@julia-wowsy Did you really say this? “If you aren’t doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.”

Wow. That is one of the most un-American things ever. Do you really want to live in a law enforcement world based on that notion? Not me.

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Brian @irie-brian

If the government knows everything we are saying, there should not be anything wrong if we know everything they are doing. “This is a government of and for the people”, is it not? Shouldn’t we the people know how we are choosing to govern ourself? I know there is some classified information that could hurt military goals or national security if released to the public, however knowing that we are being watched is not a leak of information that should be classified or really imposes any actual threat to “the people’s” or even the nations security. To me it seems the biggest threat to our security is having someone intruding it by monitoring an individuals conversations.

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Brian @irie-brian

@ Nathalie, did you say to get rid of Internet is best way to protect yourself from cyber attacks?
Yesterday I was thinking about how things change over time. Jordan mentioned that it is sometimes hard to foresee how a good idea can slowly become a huge problem.
I was thinking about the Invention of electricity, how it changed our world and has slowly become a huge part in almost every humans life.
Now, we are finding it is easier to manage finances on a digital level, get electricity from the city, buy cars from dealerships, light bulbs from ge, electronic checks, crdit cards, and vent ideas here on the Internet. All of this is awesome until we soon start to see that technology is the middle man in every transaction and whomever controls the technological market will be able to govern its users through controlling the sales and manufacture of products. Not to get ahead of myself or off topic, but we are going to wake up one day to see that with technology as the center of human life, we will be living in a communist state.
If you don’t believe me, look up “boycott IRS” on yahoo answers, the answer is deleted. Jordan pointed out Another example of how we are shifting in this direction of communism, where the IRS refused to allow non profit funding toward any “tea part” American freedom groups.
The abandonment of Internet technology, though extreme is probably the best way to protect your liberties, (but, here I am on my IPad)

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Luann Keller @luannkeller

There is a legal way to get data: warrant with probable cause.

The government should go to a judge with a search criteria that would find likely terrorists and the judge should give the warrant specifying limited information they can receive. Then from that limited data they can look for other indications of illegal activity and go to a judge with another warrant for more information. That’s playing it legally and responsibly. The phone, servers keep the data and can be held accountable for misusing it and giving it tothers

This flood of data

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Luann Keller @luannkeller

This flood of data is costly to secure and dangerous.

Recent proven abuse and suspected abuse by the IRS should remind us that politicians will get data from government agents and they will use it to subdue opponents and leak it to the press when it can embarrass or disadvantage an opponent. You don’t have to have done something wrong. You can be threatened that they will publish your sons idiot behavior or your wife’s affairs or you daughter’s mental issues.

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Gary @grand-vizier

Snowden should be publically asssinated in broad daylight by the most brutal visual method possible as an example to the rest of us to shut up and stop trying to interfer with the benevolent gonernment that only wishes to make our lives better.

Actualy I don’t think that,I just wrote it to get attention.
Please consider a Wall Street journal column this week.
Just doing the math,if the NSA program is 99.9% accurate and they evaluate three billion (3,000,000,000) messages a day (thats what they estimate)they could have 3,000,000 false positives.
If they give a better check of those 3,000,000 and are 99% correct you still get 30,000 false positve PER DAY.
Give one a fair chance to be on the no fly list or other idiotic Federal intrusive examination doesn’t it.

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

@epharmd Yes I said that I believe if you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t care that the government has information about your life. In fact, we put the information about our life out there, and the corporations have extensive information about us. The government is getting information about us FROM CORPORATIONS. Facebook has more data on you than our government could ever collect. What is the difference between corporations having all of this information about us and the government having the information?

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Jim Zielbauer @thebasseteer

We are a nation of laws. Martin Luther King broke laws in the segregationist south to protest the discriminatory practices that were in place; he was also arrested. The same applies for Gandhi in India. Now I’m not comparing Snowden to King or Gandhi, but they were arrested, they took their lumps protesting unjust laws. From what I’ve read so far, Snowden, who unlike Bradley Manning, did not put American troops in danger with his releases but only informed the public what the NSA, and by extension the government, was up to involving information gathering. Edward Snowden needs to own up to it

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John PharmD @epharmd

@julia-wowsy “What is the difference between corporations having all of this information about us and the government having the information?”

Corporations have to ask for permission through the terms of service. You consent to giving the information.

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

@epharmD Yes but nobody reads those terms and conditions. All I am saying is that if we consent to giving up the information to the corporations, what is wrong with the government having that information. We agree to the terms and conditions, agreeing that the corporation can do whatever they want with the information, so when they give it to the government why do we freak out? We allowed the corporation to sell the information to whoever they want.

But overall I feel that the government is there to protect us, does anybody really believe that the government is trying to hurt us with this information? They are just trying to keep us safe. As the Director of the NSA said during the hearing yesterday, there has been over 50 terrorist attacks prevented from the collection of this data. Snowden truly betrayed our country, he deserves to go to jail because now terrorists know about this program and will change their methods. We just lost a huge intelligence gathering method.

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Gary @grand-vizier

In a very broad way government thinks its trying to help us.unfotunately “Government”is a collection of people of average intelligence ,some brilliant ,some not so much,who accumulate great power.they are beset with human frailties ,avarice,greed,ego,jealousy,hate fear,ambition,suspicion and just plain sloth.
There is an ancient saying” No one watches your money like YOU watch your money”
That applies to every thing.
If you are fool enough to have others watch out for your interests you deserve the results.
The politicians are buying your votes with money they are borrowing from you,which they can’t pay back.
Think!
Perhaps it’s lost art but as I read comments from a lot of you on Volkalize I am heartened by the rational thought displayed by many.

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Larry Lease @lmllease

Mr. Snowden should not be prosecuted because he pulled the cover over the illegal activity of the us government in regards to the nsa monitoring. That’s like arresting Bob Woodward for harassing contacts involved with Watergate. Not going to happen. Mr. Snowden should be considered a hero; he made America aware of how corrupt are government has become. Time for we Americans to no longer stand for this.

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Aivis Aston @aivaston

Whilst I like the fact that now we know exactly what was going on, it is nothing new. I mean, how many people honestly thought they are not monitored? Remember the Simpsons movie? It’s nothing new for sure.
Another thing is that he used to work there, and I’m sure that he had to sign contracts claiming that he shall not leak any information and protect data. Even of he’s an ex employee doesn’t mean he could now
Leak it. Thus he probably broke his contract of conditionality. In my eyes he’s broken the law of disclosing something of a national importance, I mean some things are better kept private, national secrets etc. his actions could seriously ham
The US.
Just like Assange, I congratulate Snowden on his courage to inform the public of the government and some shocking news, however, both should be imprisoned for threatening their nations. Both men helped terrorists more than anyone else.

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Two Cents @twocents

@aivaston As this topic develops, I am beginning to agree more with the opinion you expressed above. He did break the law, he should be tried in the court of law. Then the people of the United States should debate whether he should be pardoned and the laws he broke should be changed?

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Gary @grand-vizier

A common thread being expressed is if you aren’t doing something wrong you have nothing to worry about.
Who decides that?
When?
Under what criteria?
Try thinking that through a few steps ahead.

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smarterthanuare @smarterthanuare

While I support what Edward Snowden is trying to do, acting like a criminal isn’t the right way to do it. Edward Snowden should be arrested and put in jail for the rest of his life and should never be allowed to access the internet again. Seeing Edward Snowden get arrested would be the single most amazing thing that could happen in this country.

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Coffee Addict @coffeeaddict

I would like to point out some new developments in this story, and hopefully get some more information from all of you that care about this issue.

I recently read that this article explaining that lawmakers are outraged after a classified briefing regarding the Snowden leaks. I personally am happy to know that I am being spied on. I wanted to know some of the things that Snowden revealed. However, I am starting to realize he is a traitor.

The briefing was classified and we may never know exactly what he revealed, but I think that Snowden is playing us all. He didnt just let the American people know we were being violated, he let our enemies and allies know our secrets. All nations have secrets. All nations do some spying, but our spying program has been completley revealed which is going to affect our national security. At a time when the world is very fragile, and our International relations are weakened, I dont think the leaks could have come at a worse time.

Read the article: http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/02/05/lawmakers-disturbed-and-angered-after-classified-briefing-reveals-extent-of-snowden-defense-leaks/

The U.S. Constitution says, “Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.” In the absence of a declared war, whether an act is treason depends on whether the recipients of such aid and comfort are “enemies.”

What do you think?

@irie-brian @epharmd @juliaw @nathaliedacosta @petejohnsoniv @twocents @jordan.bosstick @lmllease @grand-vizier @thebasseteer @luannkeller @aivaston @smarterthanuare

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Both the Patriot Act and PRISM are completely indefensible.

No matter what mental acrobatics you attempt to use to try to justify a mass surveillance program on the *entireity* of all data transmitted by the citizens of the USA, inside or outside of the country, this is a complete and utter breach of the constitution.

There is no way to validate it in even the slightest sense of the word. There is no oversight, there is no justice, and there is no forseeable solution to remove the program from existence.

Literally nothing has changed. At all. Since Snowden has exposed the programs, the only things to happen have been a massive, worldwide manhunt to bring to justice a whistleblower attempting to salvage American freedom.

If we are to be the bastion, the city on a hill, the beacon of light in a world of darkness–we cannot swallow this. Take to the streets. March on the lawn. Do ANYTHING to show that this is not OK.

Nixon was villified and put through impeachment proceedings because he wiretapped a hotel room. Bush and Obama wiretapped the ENTIRE NATION and Obama is probably playing fucking golf.

Snowden will be on the run for the rest of his life. He abandoned his entire life to expose a great governmental atrocity, fully knowing that the most powerful military on earth would hunt him to the ends of the earth and execute him for doing the right thing… and nothing has happened because people are too busy talking about Justin Bieber and the Kardashians.

Your media has abandoned you. There is no such thing as free press. You cannot rely on any of the large media outlets because they are literally paid by government and assorted interest groups to either NOT REPORT THE NEWS or report it in THEIR OWN SLANT.

Political parties are a farce. We live in a world of false dichotomy, where you are bred to believe that red and blue are your only options. They are two sides of the same coin, juggling “social issues” (like abortion, guns, death penalty, religion in schools, etc) while SECRETLY passing legislative earmarks on otherwise mundane bills to eviscerate the bill of rights.

True patriots don’t stand for tyranny. True patriots defend the constitution. Are you willing to reject both Democrats and Republicans, knowing that neither ever has your best interest at heart?

Whose side are you on?

Things to look up: NDAA, PRISM, Amber Lyon, Libertarian party, Anarcho capitalism, Snowden’s German TV interview, the 4th Amendment of the US constitution

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Jim Zielbauer @thebasseteer

I think this is one of those “Fifty Shades of Gray” moments. We’re trying to determine if something is good or bad, black or white, and it falls somewhere in the middle. That Snowden hacked into, and copied and released classified information is a bad thing, that he exposed the government’s spying on its citizens is a good one. The Orwellian comment that “if you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t be concerned” is troublesome. Everyone has something to hide; maybe what we need is another government bureaucracy to determine whether or not citizen’s secrets need to be released.

“Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?” — John Yossarian, “Catch-22″, Joseph Heller

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Two Cents @twocents

The latest interview with Edward Snowden:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f93_1390833151

Thanks for keeping this discussion going guys, I dont want people to forget and let mainstream media push us along so we move on to other issues. This is a big issue of our time, it will go down in history, we must all keep our eyes and minds open and stay informed.

@thebasseteer @brock @irie-brian @epharmd @juliaw @nathaliedacosta @petejohnsoniv @coffeeaddict @jordan.bosstick @lmllease @grand-vizier @thebasseteer @luannkeller @aivaston @smarterthanuare @jlriggs57aol-com

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Kevlar @kevlar

“Top Secret shall be applied to information, the unauthorized disclosure of which reasonably could be expected to cause exceptionally grave damage to the national security.” https://www.fas.org/sgp/library/quist2/chap_7.html

With that in mind how can ANYONE who considers themselves to be an American think for even one second that Snowden is a hero? In my book those who think Snowden is a hero have no clue of what it means to be an American.

First a correction of an error in a recent post on this thread (not mine). The incorrect statement is as follows:

“Nixon was villified and put through impeachment proceedings because he wiretapped a hotel room. Bush and Obama wiretapped the ENTIRE NATION and Obama is probably playing fucking golf.”

Nixon was NOT put through impeachment proceedings. In 1974 the House Judiciary Committee recommended Articles of Impeachment to the full House of Representatives but Nixon resigned before the House voted on the Articles. Clinton, on the other hand was impeached. This is not to give Nixon a pass but it is incorrect to state that Nixon was put through impeachment proceedings.

Another quote from the same post that bears scrutiny: “Snowden will be on the run for the rest of his life. He abandoned his entire life to expose a great governmental atrocity, fully knowing that the most powerful military on earth would hunt him to the ends of the earth and execute him for doing the right thing… and nothing has happened because people are too busy talking about Justin Bieber and the Kardashians.”

Really? The most powerful military on earth (I agree that our military is indeed the most powerful) will hunt him to the ends of the earth? This seemingly makes Snowden the number one priority over and above all else. Bin Laden didn’t even rate that status.

If Snowden was the number one goal above all else, and the military was authorized to get him, he would be in custody now or probably dead. You shouldn’t grossly underestimate our military. Either it is NOT their number one goal (which “hunt to the ends of the earth” would imply) or the military has not been given the authority to execute any such mission. Please be careful when trying to undercut the military capability of the United States.

One other thing on that statement, the author stated that Snowden was being hunted for “doing the right thing.” That is just about as treasonous as Snowden’s actions.

I believe the only way to rationally view this is to first realize that Snowden committed an unforgivable offense against the United States and is not a hero. There is no other way to look at this and maintain any level of patriotism. Second, the information he revealed, although it shouldn’t have been revealed, was revealed – so now what?

There are two distinct parts to this story. The first part is easy: Snowden needs to spend the rest of his life making little rocks out of big rocks and be thankful every day that he is still breathing (I wouldn’t care if he got a worse sentence).

The second part is not so easy, that of what to do with the newly revealed information (newly revealed in that apparently there were many people who had no idea this was happening). To be sure, many people did suspect this but most thought it was not quite so wide spread.

I really don’t have much to say about that except that this is a dangerous world and the United States has personally guaranteed to each and every one of its citizens to protect and defend your freedom.

You can do that by having 330 million people in the military and defense forces, in other words put the entire country on the front line, but that would in itself deny many people their freedom to pursue their own happiness. Or we can defend ourselves with fewer people.

If we choose to use fewer people then all of a sudden we need to have methods to accomplish that task because we will be using force-multipliers, like weapons and tactics. In order to make that work we need to know things about our enemy and safeguard information about our defenses from our enemy. Thus classified information!

Classified information is obviously to be kept from the enemy. But you say you are an American and not the enemy so you think you deserve to know that information? Not hardly. Ever try to keep a secret after you have told all your “trusted” friends?

The bottom line is that there are programs used in your defense that you don’t know about and shouldn’t know about. Does this allow room for abuse? Possibly, but that is why there is, or should be oversight.

Whether there is oversight or not, because the oversight body can be corrupted as well, the voter is where the rubber meets the road. We know secret programs exist to which we the people do not have access. How then can we the people look after our own best interest? There are no guarantees in life but you can hedge your bet. You can hedge your bet by voting for people who are trustworthy.

We (not me) voted for Obama not once but twice. I can somewhat overlook the first time because many people who take their freedom for granted such that they refuse to be involved in at least understanding politics were hoodwinked by the liberal media into hating Bush because they were unable to understand that he was acting in their national security interest.

So you get a pass on the first one but right in the middle of the most serious breach of presidential oath of office, that being the total unwillingness to even lift a finger to answer the attacks on the United States in Benghazi, you voted for more of the same. This is unforgivable.

The American voter voted in large numbers for someone many of us knew at the time (and had known for quite some time) had very little interest in the constitution and now all of a sudden you cry foul? Just for the record I am crying foul right alongside you but I didn’t vote for the guy twice, let alone once.

So what does this mean for the future? If you know there are going to be programs going on behind your back (and you would be a fool to believe otherwise) you should vote for someone who is trustworthy to occupy the highest office of the land.

There is a dangerous topic to bring up here but I think it might be very important. That topic is the “natural born citizen” requirement as demanded in the United States Constitution as a requirement to be President. I am not a “birther” who believes he wasn’t born in Hawaii. That has never been proven either way but I personally think that he probably was born in Hawaii just as he claims.

The interesting part is that the term “natural born” although not defined in the constitution (but then neither is the term “Monday” yet somehow we all know what that means) is defined in the documents of the day surrounding the writing of the constitution. That definition of “natural born” requires that the father be a citizen as well in order that loyalty to the United States be, shall we say “less questionable.”

Maybe if we had used this definition (there is reference to the book “Law of Nations” which contains that definition) in the constitution itself, indicating that that book was a well referenced book for the constitution, we would now have a different president and certainly things would have evolved differently (certainly not any worse as things could only be better). Ironically what many warned against in 2008 leading to Obama’s first election in 2009 is still true today, in fact it is coming back to haunt us.

The long and short of it is that if you elect someone you know is not trustworthy and later he does something in the name of that trust but does it without the best interest of the American people, who really and ultimately do we have to blame?

Should we blame the guy who has no integrity when we knew when we elected him (both times) that he had no integrity? We should never give him a pass on his lack of integrity and trust because he has the ability to stop it and he won’t.

Next time what do you say we ALL become informed politically so that we can make an intelligent decision when we vote for president!

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Two Cents @twocents

Snowden is a traitor. He revealed our spying capabilities, techniques, and technology to both our enemies and allies. He released classified information regarding sources, who’s lives are most definitely in danger now. He has harmed relationships with allies, and supplied our enemies with what they need to undercut our intelligence programs.

@Kevlar good points. I have to say I am happy to know that the government is spying on me. I already knew it before, but Snowden’s actions confirmed it. And I stand with Rand Paul and Freedomworks in their lawsuit against the NSA spying program when it comes to domestic spying and data collection. However the damage Snowden and Bradley Manning have done to this nation’s national security is unimaginable.

While all of you that continue to call Snowden a patriot, read Kevlar’s post. While you sit at home safely for now, remember that our enemies and terrorist organization basically understand our entire intelligence gathering program and how to get around it. If this makes you feel safer, you’re an idiot.

We can all be outraged or grateful that we know the government is spying on us, and we can fear what an oppressive government might do with that information. but to blindly call Snowden a Patriot and ignore all the damage he has done, and his treasonous actions, is naive and completely ignoring the most important aspect of the story.

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I just want to say that Snowden is a great man. He should not be prosecuted. Why is it that Americans hate a man who exposes the truth? Why can’t the majority of Americans realize that yes, their government lies to them, and yes that is not surprising, but why should our government lie to us about mass surveillance? If Snowden had not said anything, then we wouldn’t know about the NSA’s mass surveillance.

When people say, “if you have not done anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about,” it is obvious to see that the person who said that is narrow minded. Take it from Daniel Solove, a professor of law at Georgetown University. This excerpt is from his article, ”I’ve Got Nothing to Hide’ and Other
Misunderstandings of Privacy’.

“It represents a singular and narrow way of conceiving of privacy, and it wins by excluding consideration of the other problems often raised in government surveillance and data mining programs. When engaged with directly, the nothing to
hide argument can ensnare, for it forces the debate to focus on its narrow
understanding of privacy. But when confronted with the plurality of
privacy problems implicated by government data collection and use
beyond surveillance and disclosure, the nothing to hide argument, in the
end, has nothing to say. ”

http://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgiarticle=1159&context=faculty_publications

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Coffee Addict @coffeeaddict

@justm0bin I agree with you that we needed to know that the government was spying on us. I assume we all assumed it, but having the confirmation that its happening is good for the people to know.

My only question about Snowden is why did he go to foreign press and why did he release all of the documents that actually harm the United States and hurt our security? He could have gone to a different news organization that would have protected our International security. A responsible news organization such as the Blaze would have kept certain things private to keep American’s safe and not anger our allies. The only part I think deserved to be shared with the American people was the spying on the American people, not our spying operations for terrorism, allies, and enemies.

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Snowden released his documents to Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, two American reporters. On June 5th, 2013, the PRISM slideshow was released by almost every major and minor U.S. media outlet, including foreign ones as well. Snowden considered Der Spiegel, a German newspaper, because of the tradition of the White House and government of silencing whistle blowers or imprisoning them for life. Just look at Chelsea Manning who was in prison for years before he was charged with anything.

Snowden said just before his leaks to Greenwald, “All I can say right now is the US government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me. Truth is coming, and it cannot be stopped.”

As per the health of National Security after these leaks, that is a pointless question. What you are implying by asking it is that you support the mass surveillance that is going on in this country and around the world. Numerous countries that have discovered that the NSA, among other agencies, are spying on them, has moved to create a legal case against the U.S. government. How can these people understand the fallacies of the U.S. government by not its own people? Time Magazine said that Snowden was the man of the year, behind the Pope.

Snowden is a great and brave man and the American people should wake up and realize that the U.S. government is control everything that you hear and read about.

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austin.perdew.98 @austin-perdew-98

He is one of the few true heroes people can look to in these times in america. The list of names needs to be published soon. We need to understand that the evil american government can listen to and watch anyone they want from anywhere in the world, people are even afraid of talking about political issues because they might get spied on. Edward Snowden is a hero and God Bless Putin for saving him.

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austin.perdew.98 @austin-perdew-98

also, everyone who says he should “come back and face the music” is a complete idiot. He would never see the light of freedom, if you expose a terrorist group of doing crimes you dont go back to them and ask for a punishment.

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Narcissist Snowden = TRAITOR. Military, CIA, NSA and a few other governmental agencies should have complete allegiance.

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@justm0bin That is laughable that other governments are moving to take action against the US spying program out of the NSA because they all do the exact same thing. They all spy on us, their allies, their enemies, every nation on this Earth does it.

Snowden just gave them the proof so that they could take action against us.

In other news, I’ve been seeing tons of reports lately about Edward Snowden’s most recent interview.

He’s been sharing more of the sketchy details about the NSA.

He even mentioned that nude photographs picked up of people in “sexually compromising” situations are routinely passed around.

Thought you guys might want to see it: @fredh @austin-perdew-98 @thebasseteer @brock @irie-brian @epharmd @juliaw @nathaliedacosta @petejohnsoniv @coffeeaddict @jordan.bosstick @lmllease @grand-vizier @kevlar @luannkeller @aivaston @smarterthanuare @jlriggs57aol-com

Here is the interview:

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