While it’s true that the kids aren’t “forced” to say it, doesn’t it put them in an awkward social situation when they don’t want to? And on another level, should schools be promoting religion? Or do you think there is a separation between church and state?
I think that it should be said in schools. It should be the kids option to say it or not. It is not unconstitutional because the part “Under God” the God there talking about is any god.
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In my high school days, once the administrators said “you don’t have to stand up and say it” because of the ‘under God’ uproar, literally almost no one stood up or said it; I mean literally maybe 2 people would do it. That was just my experience in a public high school in a mostly liberal city.
Personally, I don’t have any problem with the ‘under God’ reference, and honestly I don’t think most people are legitimately troubled by it, but the notion that we should pledge our allegiance to the flag of our country every morning is a very strange one for me. It seems very much like the indoctrination that most conservatives loathe our public schools about all the time. I like to imagine walking into a foreign classroom where I didn’t understand the language: if I saw the entire class forced to rise in unison, face a flag, put their hands over their hearts, and recite a pledge, I would be pretty freaked out. It just seems cult-ish and coercive to have kids blindly pledge to anything like that. I think our schools should encourage students to be proud to be an American, but the overt coercion of the pledge doesn’t strike me as a good idea.
I think there is a tolerance issue in this country. Suddenly everyone needs to be “politically correct” and has to tip-toe around their words. I agree with @david that it is a little strange a class of students all get up in unison to pledge to a flag. When i was in grade school and we stood up everyday to recite the pledge, saying “Under God” didn’t even phase me, though. I think people have made this an issue when it’s really not.
Although I agree to an extent, but being an atheist myself I lean more towards not having it in our schools… I would be fine with the pledge being said if they took out the “Under God” just based on the innate fact it was added in around 1953. The founding fathers were Deists and atheists. Under their belief God played a very little role in the founding of this country so it would be applicable to not have the under God part in the pledge and go back to how it is normally written. Other than that I have no qualms about the pledge. IMO
I support freedom. I do not think people should be forced to do anything they want. However, I do believe that our public schools should say the pledge of allegiance. All schools have speaker systems that are throughout the entire campus, whats the problem with one person stating the pledge of allegiance and those who choose to participate can, and those who don’t want to participate can stay silent. However, I do want to point out how truly sad it is that people that live in the free world, literally FIGHT against our schools stating the pledge of allegiance. I think there are more important things to fight over. Its just sad that people aren’t proud to live in America.
@TwoCents Although I do agree with you on some points you have said i.e being that you support freedom. My complaint (if can call it that) with what you said is this. You are asking people to remain silent against that which is the supplementary ideal of that which is the constitution e.g separation of church and state. Yeah it’s not officially in the constitution, but its pretty clear it is as well based on what Thomas Jefferson said concerning the first amendment. So to ask someone to remain silent for something that is already against the constitution is absurd at best. And it didn’t go against the constitution until 1953 when they put “under God” in the pledge.
If someone disagrees with anything against the constitution maybe they should be the ones who are silent. IMO
I agree with many of the above comments. However, I also believe the Pledge helps to instill a loyalty and dedication to the principals we uphold in America at a young age. It may be true that a child does not grasp the importance of this but I believe they will as they get older. I do support freedom as well as the right to choose your religion or lack thereof. However, the Pledge to me is much more than one word, phrase or line. It is about being proud of the country we live in and thankful for all that it has to offer and being able to state or “pledge” that fact with fellow Americans is a wonderful thing. The fact that we can believe in what we want and state that belief without being persecuted is why America is so great. America has more opportunity for anyone to rise to whatever level they seek, opportunities not found in the majority of countries around the world. Maybe the fact that I am older now (over 50) and have been witness to the changes in our country over the past thirty years or so I find it sad and a bit disheartening that we fight over this issue. If any one of has had to live in any other country that does not allow the same freedoms or have the same opportunities that this country has, I bet we would all be happy to return, to stand in unison, face our flag, place our hand over your heart and recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
When I was a kid, seems like forever, we said the Pledge of Allegiance every morning in school. The funny thing is I didn’t really pay much attention to the “Under God” part, maybe I should have. What I remember is the feeling of pride that came over me every time we said it. It really meant something to be a citizen of the greatest country in the world. From the time it was taken out, it seemed like the pride in our country started to diminish and has almost faded out of existence. There were kids who were raised as atheists and I can’t remember one of them that suffered any ill affects from saying “under God”. Is saying the Pledge of Allegiance something that should be said in schools? In my opinion, yes. It could be the beginning of the return of pride in America.
I only take issue with the “under God” portion of the pledge.
No matter how you slice it, that portion is, in my view, unconstitutional. Those who defend the current version of the pledge argue that “God” used therein refers to all gods. And it may; but that is not the point.
The point is the inference. The inference to kids who know nothing about legal arguments and statutory interpretation. To kids who are in a religious community where “god” is always associated with the christian deity. There, kids will invariably take the pledge to endorse “god” as their teachers, peers, neighbors, all understand “god” to mean. The establishment clause bars the government from endorsing any particular religion. And that bar needs to be maintained faithfully.
I am a democrat, most democrats are against being forced to say the pledge of allegiance in classrooms and so am I.
However I still consider myself a Patriot. And I do think its sad that we are even having this debate. So many people seem to not want to say the pledge. Where is your Patriotism?! Sure you have a right not to say it, but why wouldn’t you want to? Why would you live here if you don’t want to say the pledge of allegiance? Just say it and then be silent for the God part if you are not religious. The words are still Patriotic.
America has turned for the worst. The pledge is there to remind us that we are one as a nation. One as the ppl, a strong hold that stand together. Now america is divided even more for many reasons that we as the ppl tend to ignore and no longer care about. We are to comfortable with just going to work and going home cooking diner for our families and spending all day over wifi. I live in a great neighborhood and just yesterday I was walking the streets around 10pm on a nice warm weather night and everyone is in there homes like they want nothing to do with the outside world after a certain time of day. Our own homes are now cages. So once again the pledge is to remind us that God over sees our country the foundation that it was build on. That same foundation where George Washington ask for the blessings of God and forgiveness for this country. That is why it should be said and remembered everyday.
@david I think its pretty sad that no one would stand up to site the pledge of allegiance if they weren’t asked to. I agree that we shouldn’t be forced to, but I wish we lived in a culture where people felt proud and honored to recite the pledge each morning. That comes from parents though. I am grateful for every opportunity I get to stand and honor the flag and our country. But I agree we shouldn’t be forced and forcing people to pledge their allegiance is cultish and creepy. Good insight in your comment.
@JoelleMartin I don’t understand why @donnaturpen called you a liberal minded yahoo… you seem pretty reasonable to me. I agree with your comment about the Under God statement. I didn’t grow up religious, and I have not become religious in my life in any way. Saying Under God, does not bother me at all. I dont even think twice about it. Its not offensive. If I spend the time to think about it I would just think of God as a higher power or something greater than ourselves. Something bigger that gives us humans natural rights. People need to relax and not get soooo offended by every little thing.
@lbm1 I completely agree with your post, very thoughtful response. We need our kids to be more loyal and proud to be American.
@brock are you religious? Are you bothered by saying “Under God?” I am just curious because you wrote it out without Under God, so im wondering if it actually bothers you to say “Under God”
@omeimaster Same question. Does it actually bother you to say it? I think if it bothers you it places too much importance on it. Seriously who cares?? Im not religious so to me its just a word… who cares!
@mosellegold I agree with you that we live in a different world, with a different set of societal acceptable standards. People value you different things now. That could be its very own topic on this site, maybe you should start it?
Thanks for posting @gabbyfank
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