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nina anakar @ninaanakar

@JoePerticone, I find this statement incredibly ignorant, rude and uninformed.

The only fact I will state is that I am not religious at all but I know that there is not one type of Islam, nor is there one type of Christianity, Judaism, or any other religion for that matter that could directly lead to violence. Because people can practice their religions however they like, based on wherever they’re from, and what ever they have experienced and what ever motivations they may have… especially in the US.

There is much more to any attack or war than just religion. Religion just seems to make it easier for people to create the line by which they disagree. My question for people on Volkalize is, why does Joe Perticone and why do so many Americans stigmatize the Muslim faith this way? The answer may be obvious and easy to brush off to some but to me it is not fair.

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nina anakar @ninaanakar

Also, this is not “Miscellaneous.” This is a social issue that more Americans need to research and discuss.

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Jeff @jeffsd

@JoePerticone It is troubling that there is not a consistent voice from the non-radical Muslim community after attacks like these offering radical Muslims a hotline or web-based forum to get some counsel in an effort to hopefully provide some sound counter-interpretations to the violence-prone aspects of their beliefs.

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John PharmD @epharmd

Islam:Terrorists as Christians:KKK

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To say all Muslims are terrorists is ignorant. But to avoid addressing a terrorist as he is is naive.

If you’ve studied Islam, you’d know that it does promote peace. Islamists take pieces of the Qur’an and distort its actually peaceful and metaphorical meanings (Like Westboro Baptists). A jihad, for example, is not a physical war but an inner personal struggle. Jihadists use this term as justification for war and terror.

The problem that we’ve seen is that people are now afraid to call an islamist terrorist as they see them in fear of political incorrectness. Saying that someone commits an act of terror in the name of Allah does not mean all worshippers will reenact the same terror.

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Two Cents @twocents

I do not think all Muslims are terrorists. However, I do notice that they do not come out and denounce the actions of the small group of Islamic terrorists that do kill people around the world on a daily basis. I have noticed Christians coming out and denouncing the actions of radical Christians. I think peaceful, traditional Muslims, should speak out against the violent actions taken by radicalized Muslims. They should publicly proclaim that the Islamic extremists are in fact NOT true Muslims, and explain why. This would not only send a message to the world that the Muslim faith does promote peace, and will also send a message to Muslims that are in jeopardy of being radicalized that radical Islamists have it wrong.

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all muslims are not terrorists, all terrorists are not muslims… but the main and most immediate terrorist threat to Americans are all muslims. the KKK has a history of disgusting acts of terror as do many other organizations (weather underground, etc.) My original point of this post was to point out the absolute lack of muslims that will denounce this terrorism and muslim supremacists publicly and that in the past two decades, there havent been slews of innocent Americans killed by christians, jews, atheists, scientologists, etc. with their religious beliefs being their reason for murder.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

I don’t know how things work in the Muslim religion, but if you would allow me to make an assumption I have a theory about why Muslims will not speak out when the radical Muslims do horrible things. All Muslims, even the radicals, have a wide base of communication and keep track of how many, of what kind of Muslims, live where, in the United States. With a knowledge base like this they know that if they speak out in public against the radicals, they and their families could be executed. Understand this is just a theory.

If this or something like this isn’t what’s going on, then my only other conclusion is one I truly hope is not correct. That the non-radical Muslims do not and would not commit violence but they either don’t care if non-Muslims are murdered or they agree that non-Muslims should be killed even though they wouldn’t do it themselves.

As far as “Christians” being members of the KKK, as a Christian, I can emphatically say, that they most definitely read a different Bible than I do. My Bible says that all of mankind are the same in God’s eyes and anyone who claims to be a Christian and says that this race or that race is inferior is not a Christian, just another pretender.

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Unfortunately, Islam has been given a bad name by certain groups of terrorists who use its influence and importance to people in the Middle East as a way to gain political power. Terrorism perpetrated by such groups is motivated by their desire to gain power, not to advance true Islam.

Islam as a religion is no less peaceful than any other.

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Les Stoners @les-stoners

Virtually all religions have a history of violence, if people would only be prepared to open there eyes to see it. Over the last 1000 years Christianity has probably been the worst of all, starting with the Crusades of about 900 years ago, when Christians from all over Europe travelled to the Middle East with the specific stated purpose of killing the “Infidel Muslims”.

Move on three or four hundred years to the Spanish Inquisition, during which Catholics hunted down, tortured and burnt at the stake many thousands of Protestants, Jews and Muslims.

For the next few hundred years, many of the British North American colonies that eventually formed the United States of America were populated by those facing religious persecution and death in Europe, including Catholics, Protestants, Jews, Jesuits and Lutherans. In fact, the great majority left Europe for America so they could worship God in the way they believed to be correct, without fear of imprisonment torture and execution.

Move on to the last century, to the Second World War, where millions of Jews (along with adherents of other religions, such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), were put to death in Hitler’s “Christian” Germany.

So, before the good Christians of the USA get too excited about the “Muslim Terrorist Threat”, maybe they should re-read their Bible, especially Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? (Or Luke 6:41, which says much the same).

Finally, @joeperticone asks why “moderate and law abiding Muslims have not overwhelmingly come out to denounce these heinous acts”? Well, they do. Overwhelmingly. Check out the following video which was posted to YouTube within hours of the London beheading.

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Policy MAKES me SIGH @policysigh

@les-stoners you make a very good point. All religion has been the cause or at least the reason for more deaths than any other reason. Regardless of whether you are a Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, etc, all religion has been used to kill others. Religion is something that people are willing to die and kill for, which is quite unfortunate because non of it can be proven.

That being said, I do think that people should always denounce religious killings. Just because it was Catholics doing the a few hundred years ago, doesn’t excuse the religion responsible for the deaths of thousands today. But lets get one thing straight, Islam is not as a whole responsible for the religious murders today. Its Muslim Extremists that join the Jihad. I think there are many muslims that want to speak out, and just like in the video you posted, some do. However I think there should be more. There is an estimated 2.08 billion muslims on the planet according to religious population.com, thats the largest religious population on Earth. And the fact that out of 2.08 billion, and who knows how many Imams… There should be more denouncing the violence of the Jihad.

Another side note, so many people think that Islamic extremism is only a threat to the United States. This is laughable. The Islamic Extremists pose a far greater threat to the Middle East, Africa, and Asia.

More than 8,500 terrorist attacks killed nearly 15,500 people in 2011 in Africa, Asia and the Middle East, according to the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism.

I don’t have more recent data, but it would be interesting to see more recent data after the war on terror and all of the uprisings in Middle East.

My point is that this is a global issue. The International community should consider dealing with Islamic Extremism a major priority.

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Brian @irie-brian

“Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones” (Romans 97:10)

others scriptures on Loving God and Hating Evil.
Proverbs 8:13
Pslam 97:10
Romans 12:9

If anyone does not agree with me that mainstream Western Culture is corrupt, You may as well stop reading now, and please, go cut your own heads off. . .

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, hindus, and non believers… All these are titles based on faith… they are not labels of how moral each individual is. They are labels based on Faith concerning Our very existence.
There are a lot of Great people in the world, from various upbringings, there are also a lot of bad people in the world.
From a christian standpoint, it seems to me that the only religious group of people who actually hates evil is the muslims.
Killing is against Gods commandments, but preserving his Kingdom is the duty of his CHildren. How we choose to protect his Kingdom is up to us, but we need to reanalyze who and what the enemy is.
A lot of Us call ourselves Christians but we won’t even call people out when they are blasphemizing God, The faithful non-terrorist Muslims have stronger faith than any of Us, WHy must we always attempt to discredit those who have stronger faith than ourselves.

NONE of you know very much about the things you talk about, your news media and survey statistics are not depicting the world as it is in truth. Go eat dinner with some people less privileged than you and learn how things really are before y’all keep talking trash about your brothers and sisters.

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Brian @irie-brian

@jay5 @jlriggs57aol-com @joeperticone @twocents @epharmd @jeffsd @ninaanakar

“Let those who love the LORD hate evil, for he guards the lives of his faithful ones” (Romans 97:10)

others scriptures on Loving God and Hating Evil.
Proverbs 8:13
Pslam 97:10
Romans 12:9

If anyone does not agree with me that mainstream Western Culture is corrupt, You may as well stop reading now, and please, go cut your own heads off. . .

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, hindus, and non believers… All these are titles based on faith… they are not labels of how moral each individual is. They are labels based on Faith concerning Our very existence.
There are a lot of Great people in the world, from various upbringings, there are also a lot of bad people in the world.
From a christian standpoint, it seems to me that the only religious group of people who actually hates evil is the muslims.
Killing is against Gods commandments, but preserving his Kingdom is the duty of his CHildren. How we choose to protect his Kingdom is up to us, but we need to reanalyze who and what the enemy is.
A lot of Us call ourselves Christians but we won’t even call people out when they are blasphemizing God, The faithful non-terrorist Muslims have stronger faith than any of Us, WHy must we always attempt to discredit those who have stronger faith than ourselves.

NONE of you know very much about the things you talk about, your news media and survey statistics are not depicting the world as it is in truth. Go eat dinner with some people less privileged than you and learn how things really are before y’all keep talking trash about your brothers and sisters.
(Have Volkalize to yourself, I realize now you guys aren’t actually the ones who are going to fix the problem)

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TKList @tklist

@joeperticone @jay5 @jlriggs57aol-com @joeperticone @twocents @epharmd @jeffsd @ninaanakar @irie-brian

See what Muslims around the World are saying in this Pew Research Center poll:

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

There are 14 pages.

Spoiler alert, it is not very pretty.

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austin.perdew.98 @austin-perdew-98

The vast majority of victims of muslim terrorism are muslims themselves, your racism makes no sense. The muslims speaking out against the brutality (there are TONS) dont get put on TV because they don’t fit in to the agenda. 1/4 of the people on earth are muslim, if even 5% of muslims were terrorists I think the world would be in a much worse state.

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In all our history… men have used their religion to oppress and murder. All denominations are the same.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

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@les-stoners

Les, as far as the youtube video goes, I think what was being asked was why aren’t the leaders of the Muslim religion being outspoken about the atrocities that are being committed in the name of their religion. To me they obviously agree with what is being done or they would be denouncing them every time
this happens, yet nothing. For “some guy”, who happens to be Muslim, to say he doesn’t agree really doesn’t carry much sand.

Austin, maybe it doesn’t fit into the agenda of the obama administration, which means our media wouldn’t cover it, but that doesn’t take into account why no country in the world would have such denouncements playing on their media or written in there newspapers. But your right about the current pretender in chief’s agenda.

Fred, a lot of wars have been started in the name of religion, however, a lot of wars have been started with no mention of religion. Wars stem from hate, greed, envy, or lust for power, religion is just used to rally the ignorant or unthinking.

To all, even Hitler professed to be a Christian, all I can say is, if I call myself a Cocker Spaniel, does that make me a Cocker Spaniel?

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George Costanzo @costanzog29

@jay5 Perhaps more peaceful than others, based on what you can read in their holy book, rather than what you hear from radicals.

@jlriggs57aol-com the fact that the KKK reads the Bible differently than you do is precisely the point. I’m sure that you care the same that hundreds of muslims die every day the same way you care that hundreds of christians die every day and vice-versa.

@joeperticone The terrorists that attack us on religious grounds are immature, foolish, and ten times more ignorant then anyone who says that all muslims are terrorists are. I garuntee you that the greater population of the muslim faith are ashamed of them, and terrified that it will mark their faith to onlookers the way you are looking at it now. If you’re ashamed of the KKK, you can bet that muslims are just as ashamed of Al qaeda and Isis.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

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@costanzog29

George, I agree with most of what you say, but what is your point of view on why none the Non-extreme Muslim leaders and the entire non-extreme Muslim community is not speaking out against the horrors that the extreme Muslims are committing?

We get there are different religions and that there are different factions of each, but if the ones who want to see all infidels dead are such a small number, why aren’t those that don’t believe the same way, speaking out against them?

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austin.perdew.98 @austin-perdew-98

There are COUNTLESS Muslims speaking out against violence. Is that newsworthy? You are far more likely to hear about a muslim blowing something up than speaking out against terrorism, because there is no news story in that.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@austin-perdew-98

Please copy and paste the @ of the person you are commenting to or the @’s of all the people involved in the discussion, without the @’s no one knows you have commented. Thanks.

Austin, you said: “There are COUNTLESS Muslims speaking out against violence.” Could you please show a copy of a newspaper or a link, from here or overseas anywhere, to show that these COUNTLESS Muslims are speaking out? You can not have (I will use thousands) thousands of Muslims speaking out against their own, even if they are radical Muslims, without some news organization, somewhere in the world picking it up. It just isn’t realistic. However, the point of discussion was the leaders of the Muslim religion, why aren’t they speaking out? Surely you cannot believe that if the leaders of the Muslim religion were being out spoken and putting these terrorists down for their actions that no one in the whole world would take a picture, capture some video, or at least get an audio recording of at least some of it. Yet nothing like this exists anywhere.

It is one thing to truly want something to be a certain way and another for it to actually be that way.

If you find something showing that the Muslim leaders are speaking out against the radicals please post it and my @ and I will definitely say you are right. Until then, I think you truly want these folks to be better than they really are. Sorry.

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piper.rice.7 @piper-rice-7

Modern religion should be peaceful, at least more peaceful than the people who practiced it in ancient times when it was commonplace to stone people, when slavery was common and acceptable practice ( its in every Bible)and when women were supposed to be subservient to husbands regardless of their faith. We were primitive and to some extent still are. The Crusades happened in the name of Christ and there are no Christians that I know that are proud of that. But the terrible truth is that human beings since the beginning of time have been violent and still are. Religions are practiced by human beings, and the ones who do it in the name of their God are practicing a violent expression of what they believe. I haven’t read the Quran, but they said in Paris, that the cartoonists were killed because it is not allowed for the prophet to be drawn, much less an object of any kind of ridicule. They attacked a free speech conference where another cartoonist who has so far survived his cartoons of the prophet, was speaking. So the problem for me is I don’t know how moderate Muslims feel about that and maybe it’s true they are afraid to speak up. I have nothing against anybody believing what they want . I have a problem with them using violence as response to not getting what they want.

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piper.rice.7 @piper-rice-7

@austin-perdew-98 Where are they speaking up? I would like to hear these people or and read what they are saying too. To say it doesn’t exist while so many self-aclaimed Muslims are committing violent acts is not the same as other Muslims denouncing them as lunatics. I think the Saudis said they were too extreme, but their women aren’t allowed to drive. If you are a woman living in a country where driving is taken pretty much for granted, than the religious law in Saudi Arabia is too extreme.Are Muslims living in the West allowed to speak against Sharia Law?I would really like to know.

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Rohitashwa Sarkar @kujndurt

Hi. I am new here. I merely want to quote Nina Anakar: “My question for people on Volkalize is, why does Joe Perticone and why do so many Americans stigmatize the Muslim faith this way? The answer may be obvious and easy to brush off to some but to me it is not fair.”, and more or less repeat her question: why is the West intent on manipulating the image of Muslims around the globe? By West, it must be borne in mind that I do not mean every single member in Western civilization, as that includes several Muslims as well. I mean the dominant hegemonic discourse of white Europeans and Americans, who seem determined to present an unflattering picture of Muslims to the world. (I don’t mean all white Westerners either.)

As for the comment that several religious leaders in the Muslim world do not speak out against terrorists, well, I only have to say that they are under compulsion to not speak out. They possibly stand to lose the power they have in society by speaking out, and and like all men in power, they are unwilling to risk that. I’m not saying that’s commendable. I’m saying that isn’t exclusive to the Islamic world.

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Two Cents @twocents

@kujndurt I found your comments to be very interesting. In one breath you claimed that westerners present Islam as an “unflattering picture.” In the next breath you considered that maybe Muslim leaders around the world don’t speak out because they might lose their position of power. The people who would take away their power are in fact Muslim.

So my question is, how can the people you claim to have an unflattering, and incorrect view of the Muslim faith in fact be incorrect you also believe that if Muslim leaders speak out against other Muslims acting unfavorably (engaging in Jihad) are removed from power.

Maybe those Westerners have it correct?

Maybe the Muslim faith is being hijacked, no pun intended. And if in fact the so many Muslims are violent that their leaders would be removed from power if they denounce it,I think we have a seriously problem. That is just my opinion on your logic.

My personal opinion is that Muslims in the Middle East engaging in Jihad and joining ISIS are the ones presenting their religion in an unfavorable way. I think they are the ones showing the world, and those Westerners that view them unfavorably, how unfavorably they can actually act and use their interpretation of Islam, to now grow to an army force of somewhere between 30,000-200,000. They’ve used their interpretation of Islam to recruit and be able to take over an area that is now larger than the entire United Kingdom.

Thoughts?

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Rohitashwa Sarkar @kujndurt

@Two cents.

It is true that Muslim religious leaders do not speak out. It is untrue that that is the reason for the spread of Islamic fundamentalism. It also does not justify Western media’s untrue representation of Muslims as a race/religion, because militants do not represent an entire community.

Any media can protest against the militants and the leaders in power, but that should not result in maiming an entire community. There are always those who struggle against power, or want to, but fail because they face tremendous backlash. Especially in the part of the world we’re talking about, the backlash can involve being condemned to extreme punishments like exile or fatwa or death. Cases in point are Taslima Nasreen, Salman Rushdie and Abhijit Roy.

Also, sarcasm doesn’t serve anything in this case. I am trying not to reply to your sarcastic comment with any measure of rudeness, I am hoping you will reciprocate the gesture.

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Peter T. Burke @peter-t-burke

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@costanzog29

I am certainly impressed that Richard Nixon’s “Silent Majority” is finally vindicated. He claimed that the majority (those people who said nothing) agreed with him and showed their agreement by saying nothing.

In fact silence does not show agreement. Silence does however show that the actions are at the least condoned by those who say nothing.

What you don’t oppose you condone.

Just once I would appreciate it if someone would provide some proof that there are prominent muslims anywhere who oppose the violence that characterizes Islam.

I can do nothing about anything that happened more than a thousand years ago and I have no way of knowing who is telling the truth about what happened 100 years ago – but I do know what I see today.

Those who claim that Islam is a religion of peace – do you argue that the perceived injustice of some event 800 years ago justifies the actions of Islam today?

All that is required for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing – and it appears that Islam is filled by good men who do nothing.

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Mortie.Impetus @neon1399

Islam is a dangerous religion and has no place further in Europe or America. All refugees should stay in their fucked up shitty countries and enjoy the radicalism.

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