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Gary @grand-vizier

We have the best and most plentiful food in the world.
Find something else to worry about.

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com


An arrogant speaking vegetarian once said, “I never eat anything with a face.”

I said, “Me neither. I cut that off long before I eat it.” (insert rimshot here)

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

@grand-vizier grass fed meat is better for you and it tastes better.

@jlriggs57aol-com as I mentioned I will eat things with a face, although I do feel some guilt about it. But its natural, we are meant to eat meat but I think we should respect the animals. After all doesn’t the bible say we are supposed to take care of animals? Im sure it doesn’t say it in those terms but you probably know better than I do what the bible says regarding being stewards of the Earth and its creatures not abusing them.

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Peter T. Burke @peter-t-burke


With all due respect, have you ever actually toured a feeder lot?

“Industrialized farming requires disgustingly dirty living conditions for the animals being prepared for slaughter and eventually human consumption”

Really? Where is it required? And by whom?

“Because the animals are not living in healthy environments, they have to be pumped full of antibiotics in order to keep them from becoming diseased”

This is a straw man argument. The straw man is the first sentence and the knockdown is the second sentence.

Again, have you ever toured a large, medium, or small feeder lot?

If I put $100,000 into a feeder lot investment and then go by and see that the cows are being maintained as you say, what do you think I am going to do? Celebrate?

Debilitated or sick cows equal lower prices at the slaughter house. That is my money we are talking about. That does not work for me.

Bruised cows means dark cutters at the slaughter house and again lower income to me. Dark cutters are charged back to me and that doesn’t work for me.

A 1,200 lb cow (premium stock) goes through the sale ring at about $2.20 because it dresses out to around 575 lbs. 50 lbs of dark cut is charged back to me based on dressed weight not what I was paid so it is going to be charged back at around $4.96 a pound. That does not work for me.

Do you have any idea of what antibiotics cost? Noromycin (oxytetracycline) in a pack of 12 – 500 cc bottle is enough to treat 24 cows for 3 to 4 days – and costs $893 for one pack.

Do you have any idea of what I will do to some clown that lets 600 cows go down?

I would appreciate it if you could tell me where this stuff comes from.

I agree with you that grass-fed beef is a better product (better taste, quality, etc) but it is in diminishing supply due to the land requirements to run a grass-fed herd.

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Peter T. Burke @peter-t-burke


A second topic: Most of Not-Texas gets very cold in the winter and the graze is covered with snow. Cattle require feed regardless of the weather. How would you propose to house a small herd of say 5,000 cows in the areas where it does snow and the temperatures get down to cold enough to kill cows and calves? How would you get feed to them every day when the roads are frozen over and blocked by snow as we saw in this past winter?

Cows (general Bos Taurus) drink around 20 to 30 gallons of water per day per cow. How would you water the herd when the temperatures are at or below freezing for months?

Feeder lots are very intense operations but a feeder lot that is poorly run will have problems with cows with the scours – and that can mean a loss of 25% of body weight in just a few days – and that results in “No Sale” due to substandard condition of the stock.

I ran Texas Longhorns (250 to 350). I am in South Texas which is pretty dry most of the time. Longhorns drink around 10 gallons of water a day per cow. They are good grazers on very poor graze since they can be run at around 1 head per 5 acres around here. English cattle (Angus, etc) generally need around 20 gallons of water and 1 head to around 25 acres because they can’t or won’t eat a lot of what grows here.

My neighbor ran a herd of 10,000 to 15,000 head on 65,000 acres and struggled to make money. I ran 250 to 350 head on 750 acres + 4200 leased graze and made money – but my grass-fed Genuine Texas Longhorns dress out like deer so the meat would run around $10 a lb. How does $20 a pound for hamburger in the grocery store sound to you?

Here is a link to an all grass fed no chemicals meat supplier. let me know what you think about the prices.

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