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Two Cents @twocents

@coffeeaddict, great topic. One which will invoke many to feel uncomfortable I’m sure.

First of all, would I read or follow a newspaper like Charlie Hebdo? No. I think their cartoons are offensive, I don’t have that kind of humor, and I think it’s pointless and caters to the type of person that has nothing better to do than be hateful.

Do I think they should have the right to produce and distribute offensive content? Heck yes! Just like I have the right to not read it. We vote with our dollars you know. We vote with our time. We give them time and buy their magazines and thats on us. We shouldn’t ban anything.

Now to the broader topic of Islam:

Lets get one thing straight, not all Muslims are violent. Although, many violent “religious” acts today are done so in the name of Islam.

I personally believe that there is a split in the Islamic community, and a so called war for it’s identity. I think there are definitely violent Muslims, and more than the nonviolent are willing to admit, that hope to empower the extremist followers of Islam to spread Islam around the world and force people to follow it. I do not think the extremist Muslims are willing to keep to themselves, or just wish to be left alone. If you just take five minutes to listen to extremist leaders, they will tell you their goal, it is to take over the world with Islam through violent force. They believe that CHAOS in the world is what brings about the new age.

That being said, it’s crazy to believe that all Muslims believe this. Many Muslims are moderate, peaceful, and don’t hope to cut people’s heads off if they refuse to convert.

I think this is a good article summing up my opinion on the topic: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30717728

Furthermore, I think we all need to realize that the refusal to integrate, while expecting to immigrate, is a pretty obvious sign of Muslim extremists. If you don’t know what I am talking about, there has been a rise of so called “Islam only communities.” Where Shariah law is the law of the land, and government law enforcement is not welcome, respected, or enforced.

Don’t believe me? In 2004 the government of France claimed there were 751 of them total. 6 million people lived in them: http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2006/11/the-751-no-go-zones-of-france

They call them “No Go Zones” and apparently even today they are making it hard to search for the terrorists responsible for yesterday’s attack: http://video.foxnews.com/v/3977977185001/no-go-zones-complicate-search-for-paris-terror-suspects/?#sp=show-clips

This is happening all over Europe where, and I think this whole attack on Charlie Hebdo may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

I think everyone should live together in harmony and in peace, and I think most people want that.

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@Coffeeaddict, in regards to your question about what the world should do…

The USA should stay the hell out of it. We have no business there, this is a French issue.

What should France do? France should set the same standards for everyone. Everyone should have the right to practice their religion as long as it’s peaceful. They should end their ban of the burka, people should have the right to wear whatever they want. If I want to wear a Tshirt that says Mohammad is an AHOLE I should be able to do it. Or Jesus or the President or any other figure for that matter.

They should end allowing honor killings or anything like that. If your religion tramples all over basic human rights, such as the right to live, than too bad, you don’t get to practice your religion in a society that protect basic human rights.

End of story.

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To be honest I have never heard of Charlie Hebdo until now, so I took the time to look it up. From what I saw they are just another group running on shock value, like Howard Stern, et al. These types of folks rely on the lowest common denominator in society. I have no use for, nor would I support these kinds of people. As an example, after having people tell me about Howard Stern, I tried to listen to his show. I found what he said to be offensive on just about every level to me, he spewed out filth and drivel that was catered to attract the lowest common denominator. But that’s me. When they put him as one of the hosts of America’s Got Talent, a show my wife and I enjoyed, we simply stopped watching the show. We do not support this type of person or people.

Having said that, I will move on to topic at hand. Most of this is easy because Two Cents said what I would say. Thanks Two Cents you saved me a lot of typing.

What has bothered me and will probably always bother me is that they say that this is all done by just the muslim extremists. Ok, but why aren’t the moderate muslims speaking out against the extremists? Every newspaper I have ever seen has a section where they print what the readers send in. Where are all the letters, that the moderate muslims have written, to show that there is an opposition against the extremists from the muslim community?

It has been said to me, I don’t know how true it is, that if the moderates speak out that they will be targeted by the extremists. Really? But if they are speaking out against the extremists, who they think are doing wrong, if they do think that, and the extremists kill them, wouldn’t that be dying defending the muslim faith and gain the moderates who die a place in their heaven with the 72 virgins or whatever.

If there are such a thing as moderate muslims, which I have some doubts, they should be speaking out against extremists.

Personally, I don’t think there are moderate muslims. There may be muslims who choose not to kill, which is great, but means little if they agree with those that do kill and encourage them to continue.

Have a great day.

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Regardless of everyone’s opinions on Charlie Hebdo, Islam, France, and the world’s reaction, what is happening all over the world in response to the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo is pretty astonishing.

Protests are breaking out all over the world, promoting “Anti Islamization.”

From a historical and cultural perspective, I think this is definitely a significant moment in history. I do not know what will come from these protests, but it is definitely something everyone should be paying attention to.

It will be especially interesting to see how Muslim’s react. I have to imagine that moderate Muslims will either join the cause or fight against it. Obviously, radical Muslims will be against these movements but I wonder how they will respond. With more fighting, or with debate and discussion?

I guess only time will tell.

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Coffee Addict, they are very interesting questions. I agree with most of what the others have said.

By fighting these acts of terror, I don’t believe we are taking a stand “against Islam” as you say. We are taking a stand against evil and intolerance and an Extremist Islamist mentality. They commit these atrocities in the name of Islam. But in truth, they are just hiding behind the Koran. They believe their fighting a holy jihad. The best way to disprove the legitimacy of their jihad is to completely and utterly defeat them, proving that God is not on their side.

Freedom of speech should be protected regardless of how offensive it is. Religion should not be exempt from criticism. All people should stand against oppression of every kind, not just the Islamic type. And we can stand up for and respect Islam and Muslims around the world and still fight this evil where we find it. Your premise seems to equate the faith and the intolerance. I’m a Catholic and I would not want to be defined by the Inquisition, the ultimate historical act of intolerance. I hope most Muslims don’t want to be defined by the extremists.

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I would also like to see more moderate muslims come out and condemn these acts. There always seem to be plenty of muslims ready to accuse folks of being prejudice against their religion. But those same people seem slow to stand up and be counted against the extremists. Maybe their reluctance is out of fear of retribution as you suggested.

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@indy62 I very much appreciated your opinion on this topic. You seem to have a very strong opinion, but founded in logic and you don’t seem to be biased, just realistic. It’s refreshing for sure.

I agree with both you and @jlriggs57aol-com about moderate Muslims. They need to take a stand against extremists.

This is an interesting article describing the growth of support for terrorism amongst Muslims. http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/new-poll-muslim-countries-finds-large-support-terrorists

It indicates that the numbers are small, but growing. They indicate that the most troubling part of the numbers is that in one year the support for terror double. And the support for terror in Middle Eastern countries is much higher.

On a positive note, one moderate Muslim did speak out. The president of Egypt spoke at a school in Egypt about Islam:

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Here is the story of one Muslim in London is speaking out against Radical Islam. He posted a Je Suis Charlie sign outside his cafe and is now receiving death threats:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11345258/East-London-cafe-threatened-for-placing-Je-Suis-Charlie-sign-outside.html

If I was in London I would go to this cafe and buy one of everything! We need to support the Muslims that are willing to stand against the Radicals in their religion. We always say, well where are the moderate Muslims, why aren’t they speaking out?

Here is an example of one! I hope everyone in London supports him and I hope the local authorities protect him against any crazies that want to hurt him for standing up for what is right.

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Getting notices, hit and miss. I got one from Policy and saw that others had posted since my last comment.

Well as Policy has shown, at least one muslim has spoken out against the extremists. Sadly one, out of millions. I guess it’s a start.

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