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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@whocomplies, good post, thanks for the particulars. On top of all the information you gave us, I would add to that what most, but not all, may already know. obamacare, as with any socialized medicine, starts out like a deflated balloon, as time goes by the need for more money to keep it solvent grows, and grows, and grows until the tax increases become a huge burden on everyone, rich, middle class, and the poor. As the balloon expands with tax dollars the economy gets bled dry and begins to deflate.

Socialism in any form, doesn’t work, history has proven it multiple times but there is always someone who thinks that THEY know something the rest didn’t and they can make it work. They can’t. It is a system that, by its design, has always and will always, fail.

The only thing that works continuously and has been proven to be the most efficient is a true democracy. It soundly worked for nearly 200 years, until the politicians started screwing around with it and took it off of it’s intended course.

It’s amazing, we have a system that has made us the strongest nation in the world and all we have to do is follow it to remain the strongest, but we just don’t seem to be able to do it.

September 20, 2013

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

@WhoComplies I am a Democrat. I have always supported Obamacare, and I must say that lately I have been starting to question it. I want universal healthcare. I think our healthcare system was broken and we need to give the people access to medical services no matter what. Your article seriously had me questioning everything I thought I knew about the Affordable Care Act. However now I am just very confused. There is so much information, how do we know who is telling the truth? Politicians I have trusted for years say the opposite of everything you have said, and the economy seems to be getting better. Insurance company stock prices have not been affected… I think I will have to do more research but it is pretty frustrating. With all of this information out there, how are we supposed to know what is true and what is not true? The bill is too complicated for the average person to understand so maybe the professionals and politicians know best.

To your last point about Walgreens, it got me thinking. If big corporations are going to save so much money, to the tone of 900 million a year as you said, wont they open more businesses and pay their employees better wages? If Walgreens can hire more people because of Obamacare, and the government will collect $30 million in fines each year from Walgreens and a lot more from many other companies, wont our government finally be able to pay for other things like education, social security, food stamps, welfare, etc. It seems that corporations, and our government will get more money out of this deal and insurance companies will get less. The only problem is that the 60/40 plan is not fair. Insurance companies should get less and the people should get better coverage for less. If Obamacare.

Thoughts?

September 21, 2013

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@juliaw, what @whocomplies was showing is that businesses are already finding ways around obamacare, which there are many.

First, obamacare will leave at least 30 million people without healthcare even though we were told everyone would have it.

Second, most low-income families will only be able to afford the 40/60 policy which puts them at paying for the policy and paying 60% of all their healthcare costs.

Third, the companies who do not want to give the government money for nothing will cut their employee’s hours to get around it, which means the employees get a smaller check.

So you have over 30 million who will remain uninsured. You have the low-income who will have to pay for the policy, plus pay 60% of their healthcare from a check that has been made smaller because of the lack of hours. Remember, this is called “The Affordable” healthcare plan.

Will corporations open more businesses? No more than they had already intended. Why should they, it’s just more free money they would have to give to the government, for nothing. Will businesses increase their employees wages? Absolutely not. They’re already having to give away millions in free money to the government, they have an “out” not to have to give anyone a raise.

The only ones that lose are the people. The only ones that will pay out more and have less will be the people.

Having said all this, I would leave you with this thought. If there were any value to obamacare, if it were a good thing, would the people who backed it in the beginning be doing everything they can to get out of it, speaking of congress and the unions. That, in itself, speaks volumes.

September 22, 2013

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Julia Wotten @juliaw

I guess we will see what happens when Obamacare goes into affect. I am wondering what @epharmd thinks about this. I remember he posted a lot of good info about Obamacare in the past.

I do think its very unfair that Congress has exempted themselves and I agree if it is so great then why wouldn’t they want it? But maybe its because we giver our public employees the best healthcare in the country, and we have always done so. Ill keep following this thread for more info. At this point, like I said, there is just so much misinformation its very frustrating.

I would like to ask all Representatives that voted for Obamacare to answer why they are exempt from it? That question must be answered I agree.

From the basic research I’ve done Obamacare seems to do these things that will be better for all Americans:

1.Covers preventative care such as immunizations and mammograms which will keep people healthier and increase early detection

2. No one can be denied coverage outright so everyone that wants insurance will be able to get it

3.Cannot be denied for preexisting condition

4.No more lifetime limits

5. More Tax deductions and credits for having health care

Thoughts?

September 22, 2013

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Damien Christian @djc91ua

@whocomplies Wow, you have definitely done your research. I knew from the beginning that Obamacare was a bad idea and a total waste of time and money. It is not so surprising that many left wing politicians are running away from it so quickly. What do you think will happen next? Will it be defeated? Or will it be implemented and then repealed because people realize how terrible it is?

September 22, 2013

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John PharmD @epharmd

Thanks @juliaW You make some great points. Everyone else just likes to complain.

The science and evidence points to single payer health care is the most cost effective way to go. Period. All else will not work.

The ACA (ObamaCare) is better than the previous situation but not as good as single payer. All of the (big gov, boggy man in the closet) rants to the contrary do not have an alternative.

September 23, 2013

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@epharmd, you spoke a little quick. You said that none of us “have an alternative”. Check out the discussion I started called, “The American Health Care Reform Act, No Socialism Added.”

It’s fine to have an opinion and even to have a criticism we’re all grown ups, we can take it. However, disagreeing does not make a person a whiner. This discussion is about whether obamacare is what it is was advertised to be, not what are some other alternatives, however if you felt that something we said was wrong, you should told us where we are mistaken so that we can learn from you.

Again, for a look at an alternative for obamacare check the discussion I noted above.

September 23, 2013

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John PharmD @epharmd

@jlriggs57aol-com Ridiculous proposal with no scientific basis and is a retread of the ideas that got us into this mess.

“Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it.”
― Edmund Burke

http://www.volkalize.com/topic/the-american-health-care-reform-act-no-socialism-added/

September 24, 2013

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sean cassidy @smc635

Julia, a couple things. Walgreens is not saving $900 million, they are simply not spending it due to this law by proper planning. They do not have $900 million more to pay employees etc, they are just having $900 million less taken from them. Immunizations cause autism and cause a lot of health problems, maybe more than they prevent. Mammograms are too sensitive and often lead to unnecessary surgeries and/or chemotherapy leading to death. The best screens are done by thermography.

September 24, 2013

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sean cassidy @smc635

And healthcare right now, with or without Obamacare, is simply a scheme to pay the wealthiest people who have ever lived (American doctors). Real healthcare would be a plan to incentivize the smartest people that have ever live (5-10% of doctors) and encourage them to teach their patients how to give their bodies what they need so they do not get sick. Unfortunately, this would not be profitable for drug companies…..ugh.

September 24, 2013

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@epharmd, you didn’t give us any background history that shows this is just a retread of old ideas, take the time to show how this is just a retread. The idea here is to learn from each other give us some details that we can look at and see the history you are talking about.

The way you presented your opinions makes a person think that you feel like if it isn’t obamacare it’s not valid.

September 24, 2013

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Tony Bertot @tbertot

With regards to Obamacare; Those of you who thought it would be a perfect fit live in a world of fantasy. Social Security was modified a couple of times over its existence and is working fine now (except for the xxx,xxx million that Congress s tolled from it).

I don’t think Obamacare should be repealed but I do think it should be modified to address the employer concerns. For example I think the following should remain;
– Dependents can stay on till the age of 25
– Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions
– No more caps on coverage
– Those who have a reasonable income should pay for healthcare (we the tax payers should not have to foot the bill when the go into the emergency room).
– Yes hospitals should be made responsible for not diagnosing/treating patients resulting in their having to return to the hospital.

The big issue that the Republicans are fighting have to do with employers with 25 or more employees now having to pay them healthcare. This is the issue that should be address and by the way it was postponed to next year.

There are companies who are making record profits and are pissed off that hey have to pay healthcare for the employees that are helping them make these profits. I think they should be willing to help their employees. It’s the Christian thing to do.

I also understand that in some cases the companies cannot afford to do this and will have to lay off some workers or switch many to part-time. That is where the issue is. But do you really think the Republicans care about them; I don’t. I think they care more about the healthcare companies who see the writing on the wall. With the exchanges they realized that they would have to be more competitive.

Also for those of you who are spreading the lies; Healthcare has been going up for the last ten years and Obamacare has nothing to do with it. They are just blaming Obamacare because they want to continue making their record profits.

These are facts.

What I want to see is politicians take responsibility and start talking about what they would like to CHANGE with Obamacare and stop talking about repealing it as it is GOOD for millions of Americans.

Medicare, Social Security and Medicade all went through the same thing as Obamacare is going through today.

My last note: If Obamacare is so bad why are the Republicans fighting so hard to repeal it when they know it cannot be repealed? Because of the ignorant people who think these politicians are fighting for them. What they should be talking about is modifying it so that it addresses the shortfalls of the program.

OK OK last note; my friends healthcare program went down by $25.00 and me and my wife’s went down by $15.00 starting in 2014. I didn’t see an increase in my healthcare and I live Arizona.

September 25, 2013

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Tony Bertot @tbertot

@smc635 Sean; Obamacare forces healthcare companies to invest more of their money into wellness programs to hopefully help their customers become more healthy instead of pouring millions into lobbyists.

In the long run people will live longer and healthier which should help the healthcare companies make record profits while at the same time help people live healthier lives.

September 25, 2013

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@tbertot, I am so glad your healthcare went down. You and your friend can count yourselves among the lucky few. There are thousands of accounts of people’s rates not just going up but some are saying theirs have gone up as much as 50% higher.

You seem to also talk about companies laying off their employees as being a bit trivial. What you are talking about is the difference between someone being able to provide for their families or a person who may lose their home and the ability to keep food on the table. Also, there are a large number of companies that have reduced their employees hours to 29 a week to stay under the obama’s 30 hr. rule. Ask yourself this question what would happen to your way of living if you could only work 29 hrs. a week?
How much impact would it have on you and your family’s life if you only made 8 or 9 dollars an hour AND you could only work 29 hrs. a week? These are all inconsequential, meaningless things when it’s someone else, but these are real people with a husband or wife, children, rent or mortgage, utility bills, auto insurance, plus they have to buy food and clothing for their family. What’s nice is when we can look at people in that situation and say, “Oh well, it’s not me.”

How about the fact that UPS just cut all spousal health benefits to 15,000 of it employees?

If obamacare is so great why did Congress and the unions, who backed it, get exemptions so they could get out of it?

Why will millions of people still not be covered under obamacare? Those who will “fall between the cracks”.

Why were people told they would be able to keep their current insurance if they want to, yet thousands have been told they can’t?

Why are so many doctors talking about retiring early and telling students who are thinking about entering the medical profession to find something else to do?

Why has socialized medicine been tried all over the world and failed miserably, but we, in our arrogance, think we will be the exception to the rule?

What the other countries found out is that socialized medicine is a money pit that is kept filled with tax dollars. The worse part is that the pit keeps getting bigger and bigger. As it gets bigger the more tax dollars are required to keep it filled.

Boys and Girls, Ladies and Gentleman, you have the right to believe whatever you want, it is your right under Our Constitution, for as long as we have it, but this thing has already started to do damage and if it progresses, so will the damage.

Those of you who think this is going to be a good thing are in for a real shock.

September 26, 2013

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Tony Bertot @tbertot

Companies are laying off employees presumably because of healthcare but NOT Obamacare. That’s what they want you to believe. The mandatory healthcare for companies does not kick in for another year. So why are companies laying off employees? Is it because of the continue rise of healthcare? The cost of healthcare has been going up for the last ten years. The company I use to work for (HSBC) in stated in 2006 that their biggest cost was healthcare and that is why they out source over 3,000 jobs to India.

Everyone is blaming Obamacare, just like the rise in oil prices, where the companies blame it on skirmishes in the Middle East. The rich get richer and we suffer. But its NOT because of Obamacare but that’s what they want you to believe it is.

Companies will get credits for putting people on Healthcare. So what is the issue? Will it cut into their profits; YES it will. So the companies that are making huge profits don’t want to share the wealth with the people that are helping them make those profits. I don’t want to see people get laid off or their hours cut anymore then anyone else. But eventually it will stabilize.

But its more important to get people on healthcare as it is eating away at our tax base. The middle class is paying for all those folks who are not insured and visit the emergency room. It may not seem like a lot but we are talking about millions of folks here who are eroding our taxes.

James L. Riggs mentioned what about these people whose hours will be cut down and my response is those same people will either stand up to the company and demand longer hours and healthcare coverage or they will be forced to go somewhere else. I KNOW it sounds harsh but folks have to start standing up to companies that are making huge profits off their hard work. Eventually it will become the norm just like the coverage for Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare.

Additionally, Obamacare gives tax credits to small business owners so they can afford to offer quality health care to their employees.

Is it perfect; probably not. But with time and modifications in the law it will probably be the best in the world.

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are working fine. Are they perfect, no. But for millions they have been the source of income and continue to be.

The Affordable Care Act should have been implemented years ago. It was not implemented to hurt anyone but to address an issue that has plague this country for a very long time.

Again, its not perfect but eventually I believe it will help millions of people and we the tax payers will no longer be burden with the cost of paying medical bills for people who are not covered by insurance.

The cost of healthcare does continue to rise but stop blaming Obamacare for the greed of these healthcare companies.

Wake up and stand up to these healthcare companies and tell them to lower your premium or you will go to one of the exchanges. Believe me they will change their tune once they see that there are other options.

Best regards to all of you.

September 27, 2013

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linda @lulubelle

A little information most insurance companies and the Obama Administration do not want you to know…health care ‘coverage’ or insurance is not “healthcare”, the 2 are not the same thing. You can get good quality healthcare in a variety of ways without traditional insurance.

1) If you tell your doctor that you do not have health insurance, he/she will most likely give you a discounted cash price much lower than what they charge insurance companies. Why? Because they have to cover their cost of managing insurance claims, they have to pay a full time person to push papers and follow up with insurance companies etc… If they can simply charge you for a service, it saves them time and both of you money.

2) Most counties have low income and indigent care facilities already in operation, and already offering care. Medical schools offer free or low cost exams and procedures. Many religious ministries offer free or low cost care as well. In other words, affordable healthcare is available everywhere if you just look around and ask questions.

3) Insurance is helpful when you are faced with catastrophic situations, but that too is pretty easy to maneuver if you do your research, For example you can get a Health Savings Account to stick money away (just as you would pay monthly for traditional insurance premiums) and have that money available if you need it for major issues. Most insurance companies offer catastrophic plans with higher deductibles for a pretty low premium and the deductible can be paid for by your HSA.

The bottom line, people must do their research, don’t just let the government or the insurance companies tell you what you need, they are in business to help themselves, not you.

September 29, 2013

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James L. Riggs @jlriggs57aol-com

@tbertot, some of what you say I can’t agree with but I feel you have the right to believe anyway you want to.

The one thing you said that I don’t think you thought out is when you said,

“James L. Riggs mentioned what about these people whose hours will be cut down and my response is those same people will either stand up to the company and demand longer hours and healthcare coverage or they will be forced to go somewhere else.”

It doesn’t sound harsh when you have a good economy. We have a dismal economy. No one in their right mind is going to start making demands when there are no other jobs to go to and there are thousands of unemployed workers waiting to take any job that comes open.

Like I said before this is a free country, for now, and you are free to think whatever you want and believe it or not I would be one of the first to defend anyone, whether we agree or not.

September 29, 2013

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